I found this scene extremely erotic. However, my husband did not. Is there a huge difference between what men find erotic and what women do? Some men probably found this scene more erotic. Is naked or a bed an essential part of eroticism?
I'm more verbal than visual, so I would probably find a written scene set in an elevator more erotic than seeing it. But in either case, I'm with Gerald, less is always more.
I like the elevator scene better. Nice buildup, good use of the doors marking time --but I agree that the music was all wrong. What's with vocals all the time??
Patti - Eroticism does not require anything explicit. I've seen some really steamy scenes where everyone kept clothes on. Doesn't need the bedroom, either.
I must be getting old. During the elevator scene I kept wondering why, after they'd noticed all the floors were lit, they didn't wait for another elevator. So I guess it wasn't erotic enough to keep logic at bay.
I am shocked that Cap'n Bob picked the lesbian scene.
Oh wait, no I'm not.
On that scene I kept thinking how awkward it must have been with the actresses and director trying to make sure what did or didn't show.
The elevator scene annoyed me: the constant stopping, the music...I found it stupid and off-putting. If they'd just shot the two of them without all the cutesy intrusive stuff I thought it would have worked better. But then, I was anticipating they'd find a way to stop them from getting to that hotel room.
That's exactly what Phil said. Word for word. I loved the constant stopping because it's happened to me--a kid pushes all the buttons and you stop on every floor. I loved the music although having gotten the CD now at the library, I don't like any of his other music so I see I was seduced by the scene and not the music. They had to get to that room. Two years of waiting was enough. Not to say things will work out.
I thought the kissing part was fairly erotic. The rest not. The hotel keycard thing took me way out of the mood. Having just returned from vacation may have something to do with that. :)
I find the elevator scene extremely erotic... I actually got a little tingle when their hands first touched... and, I'm lesbian! I don't believe erotic must always have nudity or a bed scene.
I like elevators... a great place for a few stolen moments with your "honey" in the middle of a busy day. Word of advice there... if you are ever out in Portland, OR and find yourself in one of the elevators in the new Justice Building with your "inamorata/inamorato"... don't push all the buttons. Security kinda don't like that... they will have a stern little talk with you... and it doesn't matter if your partner/lover works for DOJ... you still get the lecture! ;)
I have to disagree with several people here, about the music. I thought it "played" to the scene quite well. and, listening to the song, I am not sure the scene would have had as much impact if they had left the vocals out.
I vote for the elevator scene, and I even liked the music. I guess I'm just easy. I do agree that the key card business jolted me out of the mood in a very annoying way.
The lesbian scene struck me as one cliche after another. How many thousand phone interruptions have I seen?
If I had to pick the hottest scene I've ever seen, I would go with Lone Star, when Elizabeth Pena and Chris Cooper dance in the darkened restaurant. Neither is among the most beautiful people in Hollywood, and they have their clothes on, but the scene sizzles like nothing else.
I liked the music a lot. I thought it was perfect for the scene. And I didn't even mind the key card. Because you weren't sure if they would go through with it, all the delays added to the suspense.
Well, certainly the elevator scene is more romantic...but I must agree with those who didn't like the choice of song, perhaps because the vocalist's voice was a bit off-putting (even the lyrics are certainly appropriate; I think, however, it would've worked as well with no music). But I didn't have any problem with the many stopped floors, and there were apparently only two elevators, so even practically, even if they (and the show) weren't recapitulating in short form the various delays in their years-long delay in getting together, it would make little sense to stand in the lobby and wait for the staff-filled elevator to re-arrive.
And I have No problem at all with him having a little difficulty, in his eagerness, getting it in just right, and her guiding it into place. But I'm good that way.
Whereas the other scene is playful at first and grows tense, and has a bit of an edge from the start (You're No Fun Anymore, as Pythonites might chant). Two different approaches to extramaritalism, to be sure, and the lesbians (or, as it turns out, the bisexuals) don't even get all that naked.
So the erotic charge is definitely in favor of the first scene by me. So, no...as usual, it depends on the women and men in question.
And Elizabeth Pena at the time of LONE STAR was plenty damned cute as far as I'm the judge.
I found the key card scene a nice little metaphor for the act they were about to consummate... I thought it added to the eroticism of the scene.
Patti - I downloaded only the one song... I listened to a preview of some of his other songs... like you, they didn't really do anything for me.
Some people seemed to feel that the words were out of place... put them off. The words in that particular song are an integral part to creating the mood for this scene. But I understand how, for some, the words could "get in the way".
Try watching the scene with the sound off, and play Bach's "The Well-Tempered Clavier, prelude and fugue 1 in C major"... :)
I get enough Bach with my husband. I'll take Mika although like you, just that one song. MAME-now there's one terrible performance. I even hated her in the movie with Henry Fonda and all the kids. She never could act.
You missed the sexual symbolism at the end- the man ineffectually batters away at the lock with the key/phallic object. Until the woman shows him the right way to put it in. Unfortunately this sort of thing has happened to most men, and they find it humiliating to remember it. Not at all sexy. So it wouldn't have mattered how many naked lesbians were in the elevator with a finish like that.
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Nekkid helps. I vote for the lesbians.
I tend to think less is more. The music in the elevator scene started too early for me. Would the scene have worked better without music?
A couple of scenes I've enjoyed are the train scene from Risky Business and the New Year's Eve piano scene from The Fabulous Baker Boys.
The music in that first scene is just awful. It could spoil a sailor's mood.
I'm more verbal than visual, so I would probably find a written scene set in an elevator more erotic than seeing it. But in either case, I'm with Gerald, less is always more.
I like the elevator scene better. Nice buildup, good use of the doors marking time --but I agree that the music was all wrong. What's with vocals all the time??
Patti - Eroticism does not require anything explicit. I've seen some really steamy scenes where everyone kept clothes on. Doesn't need the bedroom, either.
All the elevators at my College have surveillance cameras in them, but that doesn't deter students from reenacting THE GOOD WIFE.
I must be getting old. During the elevator scene I kept wondering why, after they'd noticed all the floors were lit, they didn't wait for another elevator. So I guess it wasn't erotic enough to keep logic at bay.
Never thought of that. I guess they wanted the elevator to the gallows.
I am shocked that Cap'n Bob picked the lesbian scene.
Oh wait, no I'm not.
On that scene I kept thinking how awkward it must have been with the actresses and director trying to make sure what did or didn't show.
The elevator scene annoyed me: the constant stopping, the music...I found it stupid and off-putting. If they'd just shot the two of them without all the cutesy intrusive stuff I thought it would have worked better. But then, I was anticipating they'd find a way to stop them from getting to that hotel room.
Jeff M.
That's exactly what Phil said. Word for word.
I loved the constant stopping because it's happened to me--a kid pushes all the buttons and you stop on every floor. I loved the music although having gotten the CD now at the library, I don't like any of his other music so I see I was seduced by the scene and not the music.
They had to get to that room. Two years of waiting was enough. Not to say things will work out.
I thought the kissing part was fairly erotic. The rest not. The hotel keycard thing took me way out of the mood. Having just returned from vacation may have something to do with that. :)
I find the elevator scene extremely erotic... I actually got a little tingle when their hands first touched... and, I'm lesbian! I don't believe erotic must always have nudity or a bed scene.
I like elevators... a great place for a few stolen moments with your "honey" in the middle of a busy day. Word of advice there... if you are ever out in Portland, OR and find yourself in one of the elevators in the new Justice Building with your "inamorata/inamorato"... don't push all the buttons. Security kinda don't like that... they will have a stern little talk with you... and it doesn't matter if your partner/lover works for DOJ... you still get the lecture! ;)
I have to disagree with several people here, about the music. I thought it "played" to the scene quite well. and, listening to the song, I am not sure the scene would have had as much impact if they had left the vocals out.
But... that could just be me. :)
I vote for the elevator scene, and I even liked the music. I guess I'm just easy. I do agree that the key card business jolted me out of the mood in a very annoying way.
The lesbian scene struck me as one cliche after another. How many thousand phone interruptions have I seen?
If I had to pick the hottest scene I've ever seen, I would go with Lone Star, when Elizabeth Pena and Chris Cooper dance in the darkened restaurant. Neither is among the most beautiful people in Hollywood, and they have their clothes on, but the scene sizzles like nothing else.
I liked the music a lot. I thought it was perfect for the scene. And I didn't even mind the key card. Because you weren't sure if they would go through with it, all the delays added to the suspense.
Well, certainly the elevator scene is more romantic...but I must agree with those who didn't like the choice of song, perhaps because the vocalist's voice was a bit off-putting (even the lyrics are certainly appropriate; I think, however, it would've worked as well with no music). But I didn't have any problem with the many stopped floors, and there were apparently only two elevators, so even practically, even if they (and the show) weren't recapitulating in short form the various delays in their years-long delay in getting together, it would make little sense to stand in the lobby and wait for the staff-filled elevator to re-arrive.
And I have No problem at all with him having a little difficulty, in his eagerness, getting it in just right, and her guiding it into place. But I'm good that way.
Whereas the other scene is playful at first and grows tense, and has a bit of an edge from the start (You're No Fun Anymore, as Pythonites might chant). Two different approaches to extramaritalism, to be sure, and the lesbians (or, as it turns out, the bisexuals) don't even get all that naked.
So the erotic charge is definitely in favor of the first scene by me. So, no...as usual, it depends on the women and men in question.
And Elizabeth Pena at the time of LONE STAR was plenty damned cute as far as I'm the judge.
I found the key card scene a nice little metaphor for the act they were about to consummate... I thought it added to the eroticism of the scene.
Patti - I downloaded only the one song... I listened to a preview of some of his other songs... like you, they didn't really do anything for me.
Some people seemed to feel that the words were out of place... put them off. The words in that particular song are an integral part to creating the mood for this scene. But I understand how, for some, the words could "get in the way".
Try watching the scene with the sound off, and play Bach's "The Well-Tempered Clavier, prelude and fugue 1 in C major"... :)
I get enough Bach with my husband. I'll take Mika although like you, just that one song.
MAME-now there's one terrible performance. I even hated her in the movie with Henry Fonda and all the kids. She never could act.
You missed the sexual symbolism at the end- the man ineffectually batters away at the lock with the key/phallic object. Until the woman shows him the right way to put it in. Unfortunately this sort of thing has happened to most men, and they find it humiliating to remember it. Not at all sexy. So it wouldn't have mattered how many naked lesbians were in the elevator with a finish like that.
Interesting interpretations of the key card scene... one in a more romantic haze... the other in the harsh glare of reality.
I wonder though, if it were naked lesbians in the elevator... that there would be no "ineffectual battering". *wink* :)
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