Not only was Phyllis Dietrichson a horrid woman, the laughable hairstyle and her manipulative cruelty made her even more hideous. What on earth was Fred McMurray's character thinking???
Just for the fun of it, consider Cloris Leachman in YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN. Okay, so maybe she does not strictly qualify as the "femme fatale," but you're perhaps rethinking your definition. Right? And why not give Frau Bleucher a little attention (as comic relief if nothing else) within this context?
Wow. A tough call. I'd go with Gloria Graham for numero uno because of her complexities. She's trashy and devious yet intelligent and capable of both compassion and empathy. Her sexual appeal, which is considerable, is always an expression of many emotions--her melancholy, her fear, her longing for safe harbor. She is frequently a victim of her own cunning. But there are so many fine actresses on the list I feel guilty for even citing a numero uno.
Kathleen Turner from BODY HEAT was the first that came to my mind, then Rita Hayworth from GILDA and Gene Tierney in LEAVE HER TO HEAVEN. I would also enter Glenn Close for DANGEROUS LIAISONS and FATAL ATTRACTION. And, I need to catch up with more Gloria Graham with all the kudos being thrown her way. Thanks.
Barbara Stanwick, absolutely. But not in DOUBLE...rather, I like her confused, dark character seeking redemption through Fred MacMurray in the almost noir Xmas film, REMEMBER THE NIGHT.
This is my speciality and so far no votes for my favorites. Lisabeth Scott in Too Late For Tears and Janis Carter in Night Editor (and in Framed for that matter) Also Marie Windsor in The Killing! And a lot of people have mentioned Gloria Grahame (amen!) but I think he best Femme fatale role is Human Desire. But pretty much everything mentioned so far is in the top 10.
Stanwick. Veronica Lake. Kim Novak in Vertigo. Elizabeth Taylor in Cat on A Hot Tin Roof, Barbara Hale as Della Street in the Perry Mason series. Bacall when she was with Bogie. Hedy Lamarr. Bergman in Casablanca. Tierney.
Peggy Cummins in GUN CRAZY. Perhaps not a femme fatale in the strictest sense, but a gun-handling woman so seductive she lured a good man to a Clyde Barrow doom. That her co-star, John Dall, was gay (and knew all about forbidden love) adds a truly odd, crazy texture to a film that conveys lust between a man and a woman in almost painfully vivid terms.
He knows she's nuts -- a homicidal maniac, really. And he can't make himself care....
Amazingly there are several movies here I haven't seen. Never saw Gloria Grahame in General. (Only kidding, of course). Good to pick a novel-- Dust Devils, which I loved. Peggy Cummins--man what was one scary picture. Never saw Phantom Lady although read the book. I've never seen Human Desire. Love Lisabeth Scott. So gorgeous. What's the movie where she sang. Haunting. Oh, Remember the Night was a great one. This is a great list but notice how few of them are after 1970. How about Linda Fiorentino in The Last Seducion or Lara Flynn Boyle in Red Rock West.
Virginia Madsen In THE HOT SPOT ("I'm gonna fuck you to death!") certainly qualifies as the scariest femme fatale in neo-noir. Angelica Huston in THE GRIFTERS would come in a close second.
Jane Greer in OUT OF THE PAST, Ann Savage in DETOUR, Joan Crawford in THE DAMNED DON'T CRY, and Barbara Payton in BAD BLONDE would be my list in the classic film noir category.
Tuesday Weld counts as a great one even on Dobie Gillis. God, what a waste she stopped making movies. How about Jessica Lange in the remake of Postman? You never hear that role/sequel mentioned. Body Heat only got better over the years. William Hurt is the perfect patsy. Angelica came and went too fast. Virginia Madsen too. Sideways was a pale reminder.
I thought Madsen rather good in SIDEWAYS...certainly her passage about the living quality of wine is the best thing in the film.
The problem with neo-FFs is that most of us don't actually believe that Innocent Men are lured into depravity by That Sort of Woman any longer.
Fritz Leiber's short story "Coming Attraction" has a lot of sport with this sort of thing.
I'm a fan of Turner (as I've recently established...also quite good as SERIAL MOM), Fiorentino, and certainly Jennifer Tilly in BOUND, and Gina Gershon getting to be more the FF in PICTURE CLAIRE (PALMETTO also a slight neo film but at least allows Elizabeth Shue to fill that role rather amusingly). Shu Qi in SO CLOSE.
Among the unmentioned folks in the Noirish Age, Claire Trevor (and Evelyn Ankers, the best thing about WEIRD WOMAN). Lauren Bacall's characters, almost (they'd rather not be fatal, but circumstances are forcing their hands).
What's the Worst Thing That Can Happen, Al Tucher, A TWIST OF NOIR
The Good Doctor, Adam Haslett, YOU ARE NOT A STRANGER HERE
Clouds in A Bunker, David Cranmer, PULP INK
Burning End, Ruth Rendell, THE BEST OF THE BEST SHORT STORIES 1986-1995
Something is Out There, Richard Bausch, MURDERLAND
Uncle, Daniel Woodrell, A HELL OF A WOMAN
Dark Adapted Eye, Katherine Tomlinson, SHOTGUN HONEY
Whiteout on Van Buren, Don Winslow, PHOENIX NOIR
An Invisble Minus Sign, Denise Mina, DEADLY HOUSEWIVES
Everything I Want, Megan Abbott, SPEED CHRONICLES
The Garage Sale of the Three Lindas, Marly Swick, THE SUMMER BEFORE THE SUMMER OF LOVE
Everybody Loves Somebody, Sandra Scoppettone, A HELL OF A WOMAN
Harpooned, Sandra Seamans, MYSTERICAL-E
Burn Patterns, Michael C. White MARKED MEN
World of Gas, Bonnie Jo Campbell AMERICAN SALVAGE
Snakes in the Briar Patch, Chad Eagleton, Cathode Angel
Sea of Grass, Jim Wilsky, ROSE AND THORN
The Pool, Keith Taylor from LIFE SENTENCES
Locked Out, Art Taylor, PLOTS WITH GUNS
Giving Blood, John Updike from THE MAPLES
Two and Half Miles, W.D. County, SPINETINGLER
ReBecca, Vicki Hendricks, FLORIDA GOTHIC STORIES
What is Your Emergency, Chris Rhatigan, GRIFT MAGAZINE
Here We Are in Paradise, Tony Earley
2. 984, 000 Pounds of Pressure, Anonymous Nine. Crime Factory: The First Shift
You Boys Be Good, Antonya Nelson
A Blunderbuss for a Broken Heart, Chris LeTray Pulp Modern 2
Spending Light, John Stickney, NEEDLE, Issue 2
365- February
A New Life, Kyle Minor, DISCOUNT NOIR
A Composer and His Parakeets, Ha Jin GOOD FALL
Where Are You Going, Where Have You Been, Joyce Carol Oates
Girls in Their Summer Dresses, Irwin Shaw
The Last Spin, Evan Hunter
The Birthday Party, Graham Greene
Blue, Rachel Seiffert, FIELD STUDY
Tonto Woman, Elmore Leonard, THE COMPLETE WESTERN STORIES
Only Good Ones, Elmore Leonard, THE COMPLETE WESTERN STORIES OF ELMORE LEONARD
Super Trooper, Nigel Bird, OFF THE RECORD
The Incident at Owls' Creek Bridge, Ambrose Bierce
Food Man, Lisa Tuttle, BEST OF CRANK
The Babysitter's Code, Laura Lippman, PLOTS WITH GUNS
Graveyard Shift, James Reasoner, Hard-Boiled
Portrait of An American Family, Benoit Lelievre, SHOTGUN HONEY
Thanks for the Ride, Alice Munro, Dance of the Happy Shades
A MAtter of Principal, Max Allan Collins, FAVORITE KILLS
Cold Snap, Thom Jones COLD SNAP
Piano Man, Bill Crider, ON DANGEROUS GROUND
The Ladder, Adrian McKinty, CRIME FACTORY: FIRST SHIFT
THe Confessor, Lonni Lees, SHOTGUN HONEY
Plaything, Daniel Hatadi, DEADLY TREATS
Going to Shrewsbury, Sarah Orne Jewett, THE COUNTRY OF THE POINTED FIRS
Sunlight Nocturne, Bill Cameron, DEADLY TREATS
Escapes, Joy Williams, ESCAPES
Ugly Pictures, Terrie Moran, THE AWARENESS
Just Another Saturday Night, William Link, EQMM
Pride, P.J. Parrish, DETROIT NOIR
Bonus, Jim Ray Daniels, DETROIT TALES
Casanova Succumbs to Two-Ton Tina, Rob Kitchin, A TWIST OF NOIR
The Lost Child, Jean Thompson WHO DO YOU LOVE
365-March
365 March
Unfortunate Misfortunes of a Man Named Lud, John Weagly, FIRES ON THE PLAIN
Lamb to the Slaughter, Roal Dahl
The Navy Man, Kyle Minor, IN THE DEVIL'S TERRITORY
Cops and Robbers, Jean Stafford, MOTHERLOVE
Tort, Ken Bruen, EQMM
Melinda, Judy Doenges, O'HENRY AWARDS
Honeymoon, Arturo Vivante, SOLITUDE
Hard Rain, Katherine Tomlinson, NOHO NOIR
Bobby Conroy Comes Back from the Dead, Joe Hill, THE LIVING DEAD
Death is Daily, Craig Garret , FIRES ON THE PLAIN
Ice, Lily Tuck, 2011 O'Henry Collection
The Basher, Jason Starr, Wall Street Noir
Your Fate Hurtles Down at You, Jim Shepard, 2011 O'Henry Collection
The Neglected Garden, Kathe Koja, WEIRD STORIES
Windeye, Brian Evenson, 2011 O'HENRY COLLECTION
Triangulation, Anonymous-9, THE BIG CLICK
The Genius, Frank O'Connor
Why I Live at the PO, Eudora Welty
How to Talk To Your Mother, Lorrie Moore, SELF HELP
Jungle Bob, Ron Scheer, FIRES ON THE PLAIN
Last Song of Antietam, Patrick Lambe, ON DANGEROUS GROUND
On the Gull's Road, Willa Cather
Leaf in the Wind, Gene Wolfe, STORIES
Pack of Cards, Penelope Lively
Ember Days, Nick Ripatrazone, PLOTS WITH GUNS
The Chrysanthemums, John Steinbeck
Stay Awake, Dan Chaon, STAY AWAKE
Smantha's Diary, Diana Wynne Jones, STORIES
Unwell, Carolyn Parkhurst, STORIES, (Gaiman and Sarrantonio)
Naked Angel, Joe Lansdale, L.A. NOIRE
The Bees, Dan Chaon, STAY AWAKE
Blue Rose, Peter Straub
365 -April
Land of the Lost, Stewart O'Nan, STORIES Push Comes to Shove, B.V. Lawson, NEEDLE What He Was Like, William Maxwell, Running Hard, R. Thomas Brown, ALL DUE RESPECT Mr. & Mrs. Dove, Katherine Mansfield (online) The Beginning of Grief, Adam Haslett Family Ties, Craig McDonald, GRIFT Rosie's Chicken & Biscuits, Axel Howerton, FIRE ON THE PLAINS Not Quite Final, Richard Bausch, Who Has Seen the Wind, Carson McCullers, Confession, Stella Pope Duarte, PHOENIX NOIR Bonanza, Jo Ann Beard, THE BOYS OF MY YOUTH Flying Solo, Ed Gorman, DAMN NEAR DEAD 2 Triage, Alice Elliott Dark She Don't Eat No Meat, Kurt Gowran, NEEDLE No Rest for the Weary, Sandra Seamans, FOTP The Traveler, Wallace Stegner, THE COLLECTED STORIES Mortals, Tobias Wolff, THE NIGHT IN QUESTION Here Comes Santa Claus, Bill Pronzini Titanic Victim Speaks Through Waterbed, Robert Olen Butler, He Loved Her So Much, Sandra Scoppettone, LOVE KILLS How to Become a Writer, Lorrie Moore, SELF HELP I Danced with the Prettiest Girl, Dagoberto Gilb, Zolaria, Caitlin Horrocks, THIS IS NOT YOUR CITY The Squatter, Andy Henion, PLOTS WITH GUNS Romero's Shirt, Dagoberto Gilb, THE MAGIC OF BLOOD Pie Dance, Molly Giles, YOU'VE GOTTA READ THIS. Greatness Strikes Where it Pleases, Lars Gustaffson The Infamous Bengal Ming, Rajesh Parameswaran, A Hand on the Shoulder, Ian McEwan, THE NEW YORKER A Good Man is Hard to Find, Flannery O'Connor Hard Times, Ron Rash, BURNING BRIGHT Peconic Nightmares, R. Thomas Brown, BEAT TO A PULP The Best of Everything, Richard Yates
32 comments:
Not only was Phyllis Dietrichson a horrid woman, the laughable hairstyle and her manipulative cruelty made her even more hideous. What on earth was Fred McMurray's character thinking???
This is always too close to call for me, but...
#1) Ava Gardner in the Ernest Hemingway's version of "The Killers." She made it seem plausible that Swede would just sit there and accept his fate.
2) Ella Raines in "Phantom Lady."
3) Gene Tierney in "Laura." Dang, she actually made me believe that Clifton Webb could've been obsessed with her.
Kathleen Turner in BODY HEAT.
Just for the fun of it, consider Cloris Leachman in YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN. Okay, so maybe she does not strictly qualify as the "femme fatale," but you're perhaps rethinking your definition. Right? And why not give Frau Bleucher a little attention (as comic relief if nothing else) within this context?
Ann Savage in "Detour"--truly terrifying, less a femme fatale than a harpy from hell.
Rita Hayworth in "Gilda."
Lana Turner in "The Postman Always Rings Twice."
Marie Windsor in anything.
Ida Lupino in anything. Kathleen Turner was a great modern femme.
How about Gene Tierney in Leave Her to Heaven.
Wow. A tough call. I'd go with Gloria Graham for numero uno because of her complexities. She's trashy and devious yet intelligent and capable of both compassion and empathy. Her sexual appeal, which is considerable, is always an expression of many emotions--her melancholy, her fear, her longing for safe harbor. She is frequently a victim of her own cunning. But there are so many fine actresses on the list I feel guilty for even citing a numero uno.
Cormac is spot on. Ava Gardner in THE KILLERS is tops for me also.
Toby McCoy's lover Dana in "Dust Devils." She knocked me out.
A tough question.
I'd go with:
Joan Bennett in "Scarlet Street"
Jane Greer in "Out of the Past"
Gene Tierney in "Leave Her To Heaven"
And Gloria Grahame in general.
Kathleen Turner from BODY HEAT was the first that came to my mind, then Rita Hayworth from GILDA and Gene Tierney in LEAVE HER TO HEAVEN. I would also enter Glenn Close for DANGEROUS LIAISONS and FATAL ATTRACTION. And, I need to catch up with more Gloria Graham with all the kudos being thrown her way. Thanks.
Barbara Stanwick, absolutely. But not in DOUBLE...rather, I like her confused, dark character seeking redemption through Fred MacMurray in the almost noir Xmas film, REMEMBER THE NIGHT.
Lots of good choices on the list, but I'll stick with the first one who popped into my head: Kathleen Turner in BODY HEAT.
SO many great choices. If asked by the man on the street to name a femme fatale, the first name that would pop into my head would be Barbara Stanwyck.
This is my speciality and so far no votes for my favorites. Lisabeth Scott in Too Late For Tears and Janis Carter in Night Editor (and in Framed for that matter) Also Marie Windsor in The Killing!
And a lot of people have mentioned Gloria Grahame (amen!) but I think he best Femme fatale role is Human Desire.
But pretty much everything mentioned so far is in the top 10.
Stanwick. Veronica Lake. Kim Novak in Vertigo. Elizabeth Taylor in Cat on A Hot Tin Roof, Barbara Hale as Della Street in the Perry Mason series. Bacall when she was with Bogie. Hedy Lamarr. Bergman in Casablanca. Tierney.
Audrey Totter in Lady in the Lake. Says Marlowe, "Imagine you needing ice cubes."
The all-time greatest?
Peggy Cummins in GUN CRAZY. Perhaps not a femme fatale in the strictest sense, but a gun-handling woman so seductive she lured a good man to a Clyde Barrow doom. That her co-star, John Dall, was gay (and knew all about forbidden love) adds a truly odd, crazy texture to a film that conveys lust between a man and a woman in almost painfully vivid terms.
He knows she's nuts -- a homicidal maniac, really. And he can't make himself care....
Gloria Grahame in Human Desire?
Amazingly there are several movies here I haven't seen. Never saw Gloria Grahame in General. (Only kidding, of course). Good to pick a novel-- Dust Devils, which I loved. Peggy Cummins--man what was one scary picture. Never saw Phantom Lady although read the book. I've never seen Human Desire. Love Lisabeth Scott. So gorgeous. What's the movie where she sang. Haunting. Oh, Remember the Night was a great one. This is a great list but notice how few of them are after 1970. How about Linda Fiorentino in The Last Seducion or Lara Flynn Boyle in Red Rock West.
I find both of the neo-noirs you mentioned overrated.
And I find Dennis Hopper's Charles Williams adaptation, THE HOT SPOT, underrated. Virginia Madsen is a great femme fatale in that one.
From the '70s, it's very, very tough to top Tuesday Weld in PRETTY POISON...although Kathleen Turner in BODY HEAT comes very damn close....
Whoops -- PRETTY POISON is '60s, isn't it? ('68)
And BODY HEAT is '80s. ('81)
Still, those are two of the great femme fatales -- Tuesday and Kathleen.
Virginia Madsen In THE HOT SPOT ("I'm gonna fuck you to death!") certainly qualifies as the scariest femme fatale in neo-noir. Angelica Huston in THE GRIFTERS would come in a close second.
Jane Greer in OUT OF THE PAST, Ann Savage in DETOUR, Joan Crawford in THE DAMNED DON'T CRY, and Barbara Payton in BAD BLONDE would be my list in the classic film noir category.
Tuesday Weld counts as a great one even on Dobie Gillis. God, what a waste she stopped making movies.
How about Jessica Lange in the remake of Postman? You never hear that role/sequel mentioned.
Body Heat only got better over the years. William Hurt is the perfect patsy.
Angelica came and went too fast.
Virginia Madsen too. Sideways was a pale reminder.
Classic Femme Fatale? Gloria Graham
She's been covered by others.
Contemporary Femme Fatale:Linda Fiorentino-- three words, The Last Seduction. She'd calculating, cruel, manipulative and just plain nasty.
Oh, Lena in Romeo. Good choice. She is pretty darn scary. I have THE HOT SPOT sitting on my shelf (book). Please God may I get to half of them.
I thought Madsen rather good in SIDEWAYS...certainly her passage about the living quality of wine is the best thing in the film.
The problem with neo-FFs is that most of us don't actually believe that Innocent Men are lured into depravity by That Sort of Woman any longer.
Fritz Leiber's short story "Coming Attraction" has a lot of sport with this sort of thing.
I'm a fan of Turner (as I've recently established...also quite good as SERIAL MOM), Fiorentino, and certainly Jennifer Tilly in BOUND, and Gina Gershon getting to be more the FF in PICTURE CLAIRE (PALMETTO also a slight neo film but at least allows Elizabeth Shue to fill that role rather amusingly). Shu Qi in SO CLOSE.
Among the unmentioned folks in the Noirish Age, Claire Trevor (and Evelyn Ankers, the best thing about WEIRD WOMAN). Lauren Bacall's characters, almost (they'd rather not be fatal, but circumstances are forcing their hands).
Missed Richard's mention of Bacall.
Oh, I liked VM in Sideways but she was no longer a femme fatale.
On behalf of the Brits:
It has to be Diana Dors in films like 'Tread Softly Stranger' and 'Yield To The Night'.
Gaby Rodgers in KISS ME DEADLY.
Good question. Man, I'll have to think on this. My first impression is Kathleen Turner in Body heat.
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