tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post6456070468659308110..comments2024-03-29T01:43:05.524-04:00Comments on Patricia Abbott (pattinase): ART and ALL THATpattinase (abbott)http://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-50235113138748031232010-03-26T00:52:47.610-04:002010-03-26T00:52:47.610-04:00I think of art as something I can't do. I can ...I think of art as something I can't do. I can scribble, splash paint on a canvas, paint vertical or horizontal lines in various colors, and solder scraps of metal together. Last week I was in L.A. and visited the Museum of Contemporary Art. (When I saw the sign for MOCA I thought it was a latte stand.) My reaction was that 90% of what they displayed was a fraud and/or joke.Cap'n Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11783977137812876489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-77658231739812010762010-03-24T10:49:24.474-04:002010-03-24T10:49:24.474-04:00Yes, I don't get the installation art, myself!...Yes, I don't get the installation art, myself! That doesn't mean it is worthwhile for some, as it does have a message! Good post.Jenn Jilkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05259681360456905055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-66423469520001070982010-03-24T09:46:54.228-04:002010-03-24T09:46:54.228-04:00Got to share that, Paul.
Should you have to expla...Got to share that, Paul. <br />Should you have to explain art, Mark. I wonder. Seems like it should make its point pretty clearly--unlike poetry and prose, I guess.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-59926258215467311042010-03-24T07:42:48.011-04:002010-03-24T07:42:48.011-04:00I have always found most installation art to be so...I have always found most installation art to be something that only the artist could give an iconography on. Funny thing was the damn explanation of the intent and meaning of the installation changed with every questioner.<br /><br />No I suppose my appreciation stopped just north of the 20th Century Dadaists.the walking manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058913927297370740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-31083094478658585412010-03-24T04:49:26.815-04:002010-03-24T04:49:26.815-04:00'The colours the wrong shape' http://www.y...'The colours the wrong shape' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbkXRB29kT0&feature=relatedPaul D Brazillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12881642426845398389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-60167395728750013662010-03-23T20:02:46.494-04:002010-03-23T20:02:46.494-04:00Nah, we're just eating dinner. Sushi and boy w...Nah, we're just eating dinner. Sushi and boy was it swell. <br />A really nice summation of installation art and all the jazz, Rick. <br />Evan-I do like Jackson Pollack and some of his contemporaries. I can see color and scale and design. It's what came after that puzzles me.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-1752609238657905312010-03-23T19:35:05.313-04:002010-03-23T19:35:05.313-04:00Though my higher-toned friends think I have the so...Though my higher-toned friends think I have the soul of a cockroach, I think most non-representational art is good only for laughs.Evan Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07620731784654779358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-83077345288549609622010-03-23T18:53:42.994-04:002010-03-23T18:53:42.994-04:00Boy, do I know how to kill a thread, or what? I gu...Boy, do I know how to kill a thread, or what? I guess I need to get up earlier in the morning if I'm going to get in on these discussions before they are over.Richard Robinsonhttp://brokenbullhorn.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-29546520346862811952010-03-23T15:12:24.816-04:002010-03-23T15:12:24.816-04:00When we begin a discussion of installation art, we...When we begin a discussion of installation art, we're talking about a very specific kind of work made by an artist, something intended solely to <em>make that particular statement and nothing else</em>. It doesn't have to be pretty, or funny or likable, it's only "<em>here's my statement" do with it what you will, think of it what you will</em>". What people think of it – and say so, especially the recognized critics - is the underlying second goal of the work, but that's only the artist's ego wanting input.<br /><br />I have seen some installation art that was striking, thought-provoking, beautiful. I have seen a LOT of it that seems (to me) ill-conceived, ugly and pointless. <br /><br />Many museums these days have a strong mandate to exhibit cutting edge works, and there aren't as many artists in other mediums doing works which meet that definition these days. The director of exhibits in any museum has a mandate to present things which will bring people to see it, and anything controversial may meet that mandate. <br /><br />My favorite museum, the Irvine Museum, specializes in plein aire paintings. It doesn't have to have any "gate" at all, it's fully funded by it's corporation. Most museums aren't so lucky. So if someone can talk a good concept involving, say, piles of half-crushed dot-matrix printers, pointing out something like "cultural relevancy", and if people would then pay to see the resultant installation, we have success, whether anyone likes the thing or not.<br /><br />The further art moves from presentation to concept, the more we see the Artist (an individual who embodies the work) instead of the artist, a person who draws, paints, sculpts, illustrates, photographs, etc.Richard Robinsonhttp://brokenbullhorn.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-10410869789540007962010-03-23T14:12:04.579-04:002010-03-23T14:12:04.579-04:00Yes, can you imagine wasting days for the Whitney ...Yes, can you imagine wasting days for the Whitney Biennial sitting there. I think she likes the worshipful eyes on her. And there were many people staring at them. Weird.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-18277811997707152382010-03-23T14:10:24.351-04:002010-03-23T14:10:24.351-04:00I'm open to anything up to installation art. I...I'm open to anything up to installation art. I love a lot of those mid-century artists--although they may have pointed the way to this.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-16457121558319100172010-03-23T14:08:58.812-04:002010-03-23T14:08:58.812-04:00I'm all across the board when it comes to art....I'm all across the board when it comes to art. My eye is drawn the fastest to Dali's abstract but Impressionism and Warhol's Pop also hits the mark.David Cranmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04749857752139212888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-13870427461153027012010-03-23T13:44:25.199-04:002010-03-23T13:44:25.199-04:00Art is what happens when craft is infused with gen...Art is what happens when craft is infused with genius. "Interesting" is not art. "Fun" is not art. "Thought-provoking" may be art, but it doesn't have to be.<br /><br />As Gustav Mahler said when a student asked if he thought a piece of music was interesting, interesting is easy. Beautiful is difficult. All art has a beauty to it, even when its ugly.<br /><br />Oh, and staring at random people for hours at a time does not make one an artist. It just shows she's weird. Possibly a drug addict or mentally ill. If she was serious about being an artist and not a curiosity, she'd be out creating something besides creepy vibes.Dana Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01350344882342624735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-88470041691910900012010-03-23T13:33:43.825-04:002010-03-23T13:33:43.825-04:00Yes, it has to pull you in or make you aware of so...Yes, it has to pull you in or make you aware of some truth. Something. I guess every industry leaves itself open to some deadend trends but this one has lasted too long. I wish someone had come on here and defended it though. I'd love to hear their take.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-9603777878590453552010-03-23T13:13:30.979-04:002010-03-23T13:13:30.979-04:00I agree Patti, that it's a big hoax. In colleg...I agree Patti, that it's a big hoax. In college I supported the National Endowment for the Arts w/o reserve, but now I'm more skeptical. For example, watching as tax money went to a guy who painted an entire Wyoming house with melted cheese was too much to bear.Richard Proschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08314680709014254183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-20520671295165880522010-03-23T13:06:40.481-04:002010-03-23T13:06:40.481-04:00I still haven't acquired a taste for installat...I still haven't acquired a taste for installation art, and it's been quite a few years now. <br />I like art that stirs the spirit in me. For that reason, I don't respond well to still life and landscape. Give me humans, I guess.Enchanted Oakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14815997287116818456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-31960816991578963222010-03-23T12:34:33.047-04:002010-03-23T12:34:33.047-04:00I am quite content to be a rube. The art on my wal...I am quite content to be a rube. The art on my walls has aesthetic value and is the work of gifted persons. And some of it moves, me too. I have a masterful Russell Chatham lithograph of winter twilight in a hayfield, and it draws me into it until I feel both the peace and the chill of the scene.Richard S. Wheelernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-83123826681487908672010-03-23T12:04:28.371-04:002010-03-23T12:04:28.371-04:00I love it, Dorte. An honest critic.I love it, Dorte. An honest critic.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-79394268238227222312010-03-23T12:03:26.158-04:002010-03-23T12:03:26.158-04:00And I like pictures with people in them. Photograp...And I like pictures with people in them. Photography best of all.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-23787360075137364362010-03-23T12:03:01.350-04:002010-03-23T12:03:01.350-04:00I know I am old-fashioned when it comes to art, mu...I know I am old-fashioned when it comes to art, music and literature, but I don´t care. <br /><br />A Danish ´artist´ canned some of his crap years ago, and my husband and I enjoyed it quite a lot when our brand-new minister of cultural affairs was asked what he thought about these exhibits the other day. "Crap" he said :DDorte Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14535044092722418173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-25766747572469214872010-03-23T11:39:30.787-04:002010-03-23T11:39:30.787-04:00Most (modern) museum art just makes me think, but ...Most (modern) museum art just makes me think, but that's about it. I think a lot of it is more of a sign of the times with current value, rather than something with longevity.<br /><br />Personally, I'm more a nature-as-art person: rocks, sticks, plants and landscape paintings.<br /><br />I just realized I'm kind of boring :-)YA Sleuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12371132883359264412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-87080908947300500112010-03-23T11:08:55.315-04:002010-03-23T11:08:55.315-04:00The Painted Word pretty much summed up the modern ...The Painted Word pretty much summed up the modern 'art' thing years ago, I think. <br /><br />I used to go to a lot of exhibitions in London in the early 90's -Hurst, Emin & the like. mainly because the booze was free. most of it was silly. Some silly and fun and some just rubbish. <br /><br />Art cricism in general is a waste of time, though.'Oooh, that looks good.' or 'Oooh, I don't like the look of that' will do the job, most of the time.<br /><br />Pete Doig's work stands up well and he's a nice lad, as I remember.Paul D Brazillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12881642426845398389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-8280862513468347832010-03-23T10:50:19.350-04:002010-03-23T10:50:19.350-04:00Oh, boy, I have to check him out, Deb. New name fo...Oh, boy, I have to check him out, Deb. New name for me. <br />I don't think he likes it, George. Just figures we haven't acquired the eye. I regard it as a big hoax. Maybe art deadended.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-35071833096426591162010-03-23T10:43:47.207-04:002010-03-23T10:43:47.207-04:00I have to respectfully disagree with Phil. Most m...I have to respectfully disagree with Phil. Most modern art is junk and time will expose the frauds. I appreciate Old School qualities like draftsmanship and use of color.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04546161337366365635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-7493952743091257072010-03-23T10:32:15.468-04:002010-03-23T10:32:15.468-04:00I could spend all day looking at a Joseph Cornell ...I could spend all day looking at a Joseph Cornell box and never get tired of it. He used to send them to female movie stars--who probably thought he was a crackpot and threw the things into the trash. Quelle dommage!Debnoreply@blogger.com