tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post5064325523059371456..comments2024-03-28T16:21:30.329-04:00Comments on Patricia Abbott (pattinase): The Greatest Wordsmith of Them Allpattinase (abbott)http://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-26438274921754216622009-01-23T12:31:00.000-05:002009-01-23T12:31:00.000-05:00Juri-So clever and a perfect description.Juri-So clever and a perfect description.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-25851249944595522512009-01-23T12:03:00.000-05:002009-01-23T12:03:00.000-05:00Cyborgy. (Kyborgiat in "Finnish".) This was when I...Cyborgy. (Kyborgiat in "Finnish".) This was when I was in a movie club and we put a late night show with movies like Total Recall that had something to do with cybernetics, and since there were four of them, I said it's like an orgy - hence cyborgy. At least in Finland I invented it. I've never googled it, so I don't know about the US or England.Jurihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03021010310386744591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-1418708237376532382009-01-19T13:00:00.000-05:002009-01-19T13:00:00.000-05:00Lexicographers, sometimes overruled by their edito...Lexicographers, sometimes overruled by their editors or publishers, usually set their own rules for when words are added to their dictionaries.Todd Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01815516018079824802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-6844446290570338992009-01-19T03:30:00.000-05:002009-01-19T03:30:00.000-05:00I wonder what the rules are for inventing a word? ...I wonder what the rules are for inventing a word? I mean, does it have to be around a certain length of time, used in so many places...before it's added to the dictionary? I do like nickadiddy!Barriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04678698296265168217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-85719976623706720732009-01-18T22:37:00.000-05:002009-01-18T22:37:00.000-05:00I'll be there Chris.I'll be there Chris.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-18875800393702347862009-01-18T21:37:00.000-05:002009-01-18T21:37:00.000-05:00Paul D. Brazill,I agree wholeheartedly with you th...Paul D. Brazill,<BR/><BR/>I agree wholeheartedly with you that eponyms are words. I just do not think that the people whom they are eponyms because of ought to get credit for them.<BR/><BR/>Put another way, the eponymous men and women ought not to be credited with creating them, I felt.<BR/><BR/>As I tend to do, however, I wrote a post instead of a reply (thank goodness for the preview button before publishing, or Pattinase might have handed me my head). The post shows up tomorrow, Tuesday 20 Jan, 9:00 am Hong Kong time. <BR/><BR/>Tschuess,<BR/>ChrisSepiru Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08600130405222535830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-83532371452669478422009-01-18T19:20:00.000-05:002009-01-18T19:20:00.000-05:00I love hoover as a verb. It makes perfect sense. Z...I love hoover as a verb. It makes perfect sense. <BR/>Zippered Patti would make more sense.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-12356009540492800612009-01-18T14:00:00.000-05:002009-01-18T14:00:00.000-05:00Oh, chris, 'quisling 'is I word I've known since i...Oh, chris, 'quisling 'is I word I've known since i was a kid-and i'm well past my sell by date- so it is, i think, a real word. A recent expression that I love is 'frocksploitation film'coined by the great Kim Newman to describe mercant/ivory films et al..Paul D Brazillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12881642426845398389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-78704386616386456652009-01-18T13:55:00.000-05:002009-01-18T13:55:00.000-05:00Cracking stuff, this. (Bryson's 'Troublsome Words,...Cracking stuff, this. (Bryson's 'Troublsome Words,' by the way, is a book that i tout to many who enjoy language.) One thing my girlfiend alway comments on is that I say hoover as a verb. even when I' using another brand of vaccume cleaner.the english lanuage morphs and twist always, which is part of it's pleasure...the douglas admas riff is rather smashng, isn't it?Paul D Brazillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12881642426845398389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-24554985225846756372009-01-18T13:03:00.000-05:002009-01-18T13:03:00.000-05:00How about the new word "pattizipper" which means "...How about the new word "pattizipper" which means "to sew someone's pockets shut."Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04546161337366365635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-23637393464038055412009-01-18T08:19:00.000-05:002009-01-18T08:19:00.000-05:00Chris-I can well imagine you creating new worlds, ...Chris-I can well imagine you creating new worlds, not just new words.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-17593114877009400972009-01-18T04:59:00.000-05:002009-01-18T04:59:00.000-05:00Hello Pattinase,I am not sure if eponyms like kerm...Hello Pattinase,<BR/><BR/>I am not sure if eponyms like kermodian, quisling, or gradgrind should count, per se, but maybe they should if you have created the character (like Charles Dickens did with Thomas Gradgrind in Hard Times).<BR/><BR/>The Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (nom de plume Lewis Carroll) came up with some great ones, such as most of Jabberwocky, although most did not make their way into widespread use.<BR/><BR/>The great thing about English, in my view, is that we are always creating new words, as compared to say, the French who are always officially throwing words out of the language, each year in fact.<BR/><BR/>One newish word that has gained universal use in English is genocide. <BR/><BR/>Genocide was coined in 1944 by legal scholar Raphael Lemkin, a Polish Jew who survived the Holocaust, initially in an essay about the massacre of Assyrians in Iraq in 1933.<BR/><BR/>The sciences, including social sciences, create words frequently to explain new concepts or actions. <BR/><BR/>My wife and I create fake languages and try to explain things to the other, and trip the other up, with these constantly mutating and evolving languages.<BR/><BR/>Yet even great words like murgalicious (the state of being slighty grumpelicious in the morning due to overbright Daystar radiation, and unending spousal chatter, interfering with the body's ability to maintain a sleeping state for as long as the body would otherwise remain in that state) that we have invented have just not caught on.<BR/><BR/>Go figure.<BR/><BR/>(Hopefully grumpelicious will catch on...)<BR/><BR/>Tschuess,<BR/>ChrisSepiru Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08600130405222535830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-61846321922597679822009-01-18T00:37:00.000-05:002009-01-18T00:37:00.000-05:00Oh, I like both of those. Yes, we could easily hav...Oh, I like both of those. Yes, we could easily have double the words currently in use.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-60397441079913686292009-01-17T21:52:00.000-05:002009-01-17T21:52:00.000-05:00Douglas Adams and John Lloyd wrote a great book ca...Douglas Adams and John Lloyd wrote a great book called <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Meaning_of_Liff" REL="nofollow">The Meaning of Liff.</A> <BR/><BR/>Here, from the Wikipedia description:<BR/><BR/>It is a "dictionary of things that there aren't any words for yet"; all the words listed are place names, and describe common feelings and objects for which there is no current English word. Examples are Shoeburyness ("The vague uncomfortable feeling you get when sitting on a seat which is still warm from somebody else's bottom") and Abinger ("One who washes up everything except the frying pan, the cheese grater and the saucepan which the chocolate sauce has been made in").John McFetridgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442198820998606682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-77345595895593267882009-01-17T20:39:00.000-05:002009-01-17T20:39:00.000-05:00Sniglets aim a bit older than the Wiggles do...Ric...Sniglets aim a bit older than the Wiggles do...Rich Hall made a rich haul with this wordplay gimmick, on SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE and elsewhere, in the '80s...Todd Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01815516018079824802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-17783235401214373292009-01-17T18:26:00.000-05:002009-01-17T18:26:00.000-05:00Sniglets? That must have been post-my kids. I'll c...Sniglets? That must have been post-my kids. I'll check it out. Maybe our grandson will prefer it to THe Wiggles.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-79312668535136994342009-01-17T17:50:00.000-05:002009-01-17T17:50:00.000-05:00My son loves the Sniglets from "Not Necessarily Th...My son loves the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniglet" REL="nofollow">Sniglets</A> from "Not Necessarily The News" that I could find on the Internet, I'll have to hunt down the book one of these days.<BR/><BR/>How about <I>"Pattitastic?"</I>Cormac Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990698766444728760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-73970575292771724972009-01-17T17:30:00.000-05:002009-01-17T17:30:00.000-05:00Or, from our perspective, possibly new words. Earl...Or, from our perspective, possibly new words. Earliest known citations are only that...Todd Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01815516018079824802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-38409172903675176222009-01-17T17:02:00.000-05:002009-01-17T17:02:00.000-05:00Yep, you're right--- first recorded use of the wor...Yep, you're right--- first recorded use of the words. He may have created them. He used local slang and colloquialisms for the first time. Even his first two plays used 140 new words between them.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-85746563262949545522009-01-17T16:58:00.000-05:002009-01-17T16:58:00.000-05:00Well, that's a good question. I'll see what my hus...Well, that's a good question. I'll see what my husband has to say.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-73797247814520934632009-01-17T15:33:00.000-05:002009-01-17T15:33:00.000-05:00Then there's the question of how many words Shakes...Then there's the question of how many words Shakespeare invented, versus how many have their earliest surviving record in his works.<BR/><BR/>There are always new words for new needs and flavors...any child could invent "snarge."Todd Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01815516018079824802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-16901217978119936162009-01-17T14:29:00.000-05:002009-01-17T14:29:00.000-05:00Wow! That does count. What was the first word of t...Wow! That does count. What was the first word of the language? Interesting to see what comes first.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-89800856857549761332009-01-17T14:26:00.000-05:002009-01-17T14:26:00.000-05:00I've invented most of a whole new language for my ...I've invented most of a whole new language for my Taleran books. Does that count?<BR/><BR/>None have gotten to be everyday words yet. Sigh!Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-58804332249016399422009-01-17T13:39:00.000-05:002009-01-17T13:39:00.000-05:00Oh, thanks. That's interesting. I wonder if it wil...Oh, thanks. That's interesting. I wonder if it will jump the pond since we don't know him here. Chortle, huh? I wonder how recent the word "rant" is.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-81734557362184894082009-01-17T13:33:00.000-05:002009-01-17T13:33:00.000-05:00Kermodian is now an official new word. It comes fr...Kermodian is now an official new word. It comes from the film critic Mark Kermode who has a in your face style. It was recently used in Irish parliment when a mp said - I'm not going into a Kermodian rant. But as for inventing words I think only Lewis Carrol came close - chortle is one of his which is a mixture of chuckle and snort.<BR/>Etymology is an interesting mixture.Gary Dobbs/Jack Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10935686140719743351noreply@blogger.com