tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post479462315930781931..comments2024-03-29T08:45:57.792-04:00Comments on Patricia Abbott (pattinase): The Art of the Memoir, Part Twopattinase (abbott)http://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-52175613177837566782015-12-27T03:50:19.416-05:002015-12-27T03:50:19.416-05:00My maternal grandmother's mother had 13 childr...My maternal grandmother's mother had 13 children and married a man with six children. They lived in a part of Poland that was occupied by imperial Russia pre-WWI. In 1907, my grandparents came here. My grandmother and six siblings made it here. The rest died of typhus in Poland/Russia. The family fled anti-Semitic czarist pogroms.<br />made<br />Then my grandmother and her siblings mostly had two children. One had one child and one had three children. <br /><br />My father's mother had five children in an Irish Catholic family, but she had miscarriages, too, and unfortunately, died of breast cancer at 36. Or I'm sure there would have been more offspring. <br /><br />It's true about birth control, the pill, but there were other methods, too before that, although the pill made a big difference. <br /><br />Of course, once people moved into urban areas, there was no way to house big families<br /><br />Around the world, there are still countries where big families are the norm, as in India's agrarian regions. Also, where women have less education and less access to birth control. Education makes a big difference and low-cost or free, accessible contraceptives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-50103705381467489662015-12-24T19:23:01.665-05:002015-12-24T19:23:01.665-05:00My maternal grandmother (b. 1900) had 16 brothers ...My maternal grandmother (b. 1900) had 16 brothers and sisters, my paternal grandmother (b. 1905) had 12.<br /><br />Unusually for that time, 14 survived from the one family and all 13 from the other. Large families were due not only to the hit or miss 19th/early 20th century methods of birth control but also because of high childhood mortality rates from diseases we now see rarely (e.g.diptheria, pertussis, measles). People had lots of children in part because they knew the chances of many to live past age 13 weren't good.<br /><br />I have six brothers and sisters, as does the spousal unit. My parents were Catholic, I don't know what his parent's excuse was.<br /><br />Shayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16527241089629026268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-15832038962889950142015-12-24T08:12:15.503-05:002015-12-24T08:12:15.503-05:00This is really fascinating, Patti!! Thanks for sha...This is really fascinating, Patti!! Thanks for sharing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-482305601905014712015-12-24T03:58:31.768-05:002015-12-24T03:58:31.768-05:00My father had five siblings, one of whom died when...My father had five siblings, one of whom died when he was about 12 in an accident. My mother had three sisters, one dying of polio when she was 12. Of three three remaining kids, all girls, each had three kids. That's all I know about them.Cap'n Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11783977137812876489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-76114278872183794792015-12-23T20:27:10.014-05:002015-12-23T20:27:10.014-05:00As far as family trees go, a cousin of my mother&#...As far as family trees go, a cousin of my mother's worked for years on a detailed family tree. When he was finished we had a big family reunion - with cousins we'd never heard of, let alone met - in 1990 in New Jersey, over the Labor Day weekend. Everyone got name badges showing who we were descended from, they put up huge family trees so you could trace the relationships, etc. We discovered cousins in Charleston, New Orleans and Houston. We had a blast. I wish they'd done it again. My brother got a prize for coming the longest distance (from Oregon), and two great aunts were the oldest, both at 86.<br /><br />Sadly, many attendees including that whole generation and a lot of my parents' generation, have died in the ensuing 25 years. I still have the book with the family tree.<br />Jeff Meyersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00093411926030586355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-77343250256527919302015-12-23T15:59:44.207-05:002015-12-23T15:59:44.207-05:00I think agrarian societies/regions needed larger f...I think agrarian societies/regions needed larger families (ready-made labor pools), but fewer family farms means smaller families. Yes, birth control options changed things, but religions and family livelihoods are also factors. And I'm not sure if our post-post-modern drop in birthrates (because of many reasons but complicated by extended lifespans and changes in average ages of populations) is really in the world's best interests. RTDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17113953356514605424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-22665617220650355392015-12-23T15:52:36.961-05:002015-12-23T15:52:36.961-05:00Generally you'll notice a huge drop in family ...Generally you'll notice a huge drop in family sizes around 1964/1965, which was about the time the birth control pill became generally available. In my own family (and almost all of my parents' siblings' families) the youngest child was born in 1964 or 65.Debnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-58597176690247899612015-12-23T15:11:21.255-05:002015-12-23T15:11:21.255-05:00Once we ceased living on farms, feeding kids becam...Once we ceased living on farms, feeding kids became a big problem, I think. pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-69517827437385453342015-12-23T14:50:58.898-05:002015-12-23T14:50:58.898-05:00My mom only had one sister, but my dad had eight b...My mom only had one sister, but my dad had eight brothers and sisters, not to mention a cousin that also lived with them. I think it was partly that they were Catholic, but also that they lived on a dairy farm, where a large family was pretty much an asset to keep things going. In the next generation there were a few families in the 4-6 kid range, but mostly twos and threes. Coincidentally or not, none of them stayed on the farm. In my generation, there is only one family with six kids, and a lot of the cousins have none. The average is probably around two.seana grahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774794086733027289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-81050464655660050722015-12-23T13:16:00.768-05:002015-12-23T13:16:00.768-05:00On both sides, going back four generations, it'...On both sides, going back four generations, it's all single children or two children. So no, not big families. All survived childhood and lived through adulthood. There were never more children than could be well cared for. One of my older cousins had four children. It was considered...unseemly. Rick Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07978136287154214297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-17982342825816504522015-12-23T11:21:25.739-05:002015-12-23T11:21:25.739-05:00Thanks for sharing. This is beautiful, but I am en...Thanks for sharing. This is beautiful, but I am envious. My family "history" is damaged by bad memories, mysterious "adoptions," and strange relationships. Ain't that a tease for a story! RTDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17113953356514605424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-46632180495265499732015-12-23T10:17:45.721-05:002015-12-23T10:17:45.721-05:00One of my nieces did a webpage for our family. It ...One of my nieces did a webpage for our family. It traces things back pretty good ways. Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-20086744750866197752015-12-23T10:12:55.593-05:002015-12-23T10:12:55.593-05:00Most of my "religious" cousins seem to h...Most of my "religious" cousins seem to have 3-5, but Karen is an overachiever.Jeff Meyersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00093411926030586355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-57290558248622350842015-12-23T09:27:12.737-05:002015-12-23T09:27:12.737-05:00To make sure there are enough "warriors"...To make sure there are enough "warriors" to fight the good fight. It helps if your God permits polygamy too--then it doesn't fall to one brood-mare of a female to populate the "faith army"!Debnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-69434650880333785312015-12-23T09:17:58.899-05:002015-12-23T09:17:58.899-05:00Why do religious people have such big families? Why do religious people have such big families? pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-49604190315600716012015-12-23T08:40:10.082-05:002015-12-23T08:40:10.082-05:00Wow, those are big families. My father's moth...Wow, those are big families. My father's mother was one of 10 brothers and sisters, all but one of whom survived at least until I knew them. I knew my father's father's mother (my great-grandmother) when I was young, and two great-grandparents on my mother's side (her mother's parents). In fact, my great-grandfather lived until just before I got married, so Jackie knew him too. It helps that my grandmother got married at 17. She was one of six sisters, including fraternal twins, but I never knew until I was an adult that my grandmother had a twin brother who died in an accident when he was a baby.<br /><br />My mother's father died when she was eight (her sister was two, her brother four months old). He was one of 8 or 9.<br /><br />In later generations, only my cousin Karen, who got religion and moved to Israel, had a family like that - 11 in her case.Jeff Meyersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00093411926030586355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-61361135252791598972015-12-23T08:38:24.906-05:002015-12-23T08:38:24.906-05:00To avoic being pregnant that much, I might be inde...To avoic being pregnant that much, I might be indeed willing to sleep on the roof myself. pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-62144685710985109412015-12-23T08:33:16.733-05:002015-12-23T08:33:16.733-05:00I think if you go back just a couple of generation...I think if you go back just a couple of generations, everyone had families of this size. One of my great-grandmothers had seventeen children; about ten made it to adulthood; when she died (at 95), only six of her children were still living. Back in the days when the only effective method of limiting family size was (to paraphrase Margaret Sanger ) to make your husband sleep on the roof, families this large were common.Debnoreply@blogger.com