tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post2976598381969715765..comments2024-03-28T16:21:30.329-04:00Comments on Patricia Abbott (pattinase): The Hardest Hardboiled?pattinase (abbott)http://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-88876224361847962952013-06-16T17:40:05.750-04:002013-06-16T17:40:05.750-04:00There is apparently an excellent essay in the NYRB...There is apparently an excellent essay in the NYRB by Joyce Carol Oates on Derek Raymong. I have the first book in the series but haven't yet read it. Thanks!pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-68780774799899765402013-06-16T17:05:26.481-04:002013-06-16T17:05:26.481-04:00Sorry, I thought I had misunderstood something. I ...Sorry, I thought I had misunderstood something. I would add I WAS DORA SUAREZ by Derek Raymond. That was pretty dark and the Jim Thompson you mentioned is not bad either except I prefer Pop. 1280.whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030571187291039318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-87241959543612370722013-06-16T17:02:42.999-04:002013-06-16T17:02:42.999-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030571187291039318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-31772431021305739892013-06-13T09:54:44.894-04:002013-06-13T09:54:44.894-04:00And, of course, Joe Gores taps back in with "...And, of course, Joe Gores taps back in with "Goodbye, Pops," "Watch For It," and to some extent "The Second Coming."<br /><br />Theodore Sturgeon, though this is horror by any measure, "A Way of Thinking."<br /><br />Richard Matheson, "The Distributor."Todd Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01815516018079824802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-69945468422052456832013-06-13T09:51:26.030-04:002013-06-13T09:51:26.030-04:00Since the novels have been given a good going-over...Since the novels have been given a good going-over, I'll suggest two short fictions that I suspect won't be raised in this discussion but should be:<br /><br />"The Animal Fair" by Robert Bloch (first question)<br />"The Night They Missed the Horror Show" by Joe R. Lansdale (second question)Todd Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01815516018079824802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-57280208961790533712013-06-12T18:53:35.793-04:002013-06-12T18:53:35.793-04:00At least GRISBI was turned into a movie of the sam...At least GRISBI was turned into a movie of the same title, starring Jean Gabin. It's probably easier to find than the novel.Anders Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06164550847416446757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-86977717635755753492013-06-12T17:10:56.858-04:002013-06-12T17:10:56.858-04:00Only the Williams' is familiar.Only the Williams' is familiar. pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-9372720221010311242013-06-12T17:03:57.408-04:002013-06-12T17:03:57.408-04:00I have to add DEVIL IN DUNGAREES by Albert Conroy ...I have to add DEVIL IN DUNGAREES by Albert Conroy and DRAWN TO EVIL by Harry Whittington to the hardboiled list. None of them easy to find, I guess. And Albert Simonin's TOUCHEZ PAS AU GRISBI is a French attempt to out-tough the American originals.<br /><br />For Noir, most titles by Charles Williams but especially HELL HATH NO FURY (filmed as THE HOT SPOT).Anders Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06164550847416446757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-20676683656846714342013-06-12T13:34:49.926-04:002013-06-12T13:34:49.926-04:00My hardboildest novel is INTERFACE by Joe Gores. ...My hardboildest novel is INTERFACE by Joe Gores. A really brilliant novel. Not a techno-thriller, despite how computers have taken over the title.Graham Powellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01775285782385634486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-37335675239961074202013-06-12T12:52:22.109-04:002013-06-12T12:52:22.109-04:00Hard to beat Dead City by Shane Stevens for hardes...Hard to beat Dead City by Shane Stevens for hardest hardboiled and noirest noir. Runners up also in both categories would be Red Harvest by Hammett (Continental Op destroys a corrupt city because he's pissed that someone took a shot at him), The Name of the Game is Death by Dan Marlowe, and Cockfighter by Willeford. My Jim Thompson noir choices would be Savage Night,Hell of a Woman, The Getaway and A Swell-looking Babe. I;ll throw Double Indemnity in also. And for pure hardboiled, I, The Jury.Dave Zeltsermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04007736514118297783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-38340222646195699902013-06-12T11:57:41.280-04:002013-06-12T11:57:41.280-04:00Ooh, I have never even heard of that Willeford one...Ooh, I have never even heard of that Willeford one. The Marlowe I loved. pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-58432153643701524672013-06-12T11:11:36.613-04:002013-06-12T11:11:36.613-04:00I love the question. I'd go with either:
The N...I love the question. I'd go with either:<br />The Name of the Game is Death, by Dan J. Marlowe (which I've already raved about here at your blog)<br />or<br />The Black Mass of Brother Springer, by Charles WillefordHeath Lowrancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009721666729276126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-91224111989271879962013-06-12T11:05:01.140-04:002013-06-12T11:05:01.140-04:00Well, late to the party as usual and everyone seem...Well, late to the party as usual and everyone seems to have picked the darkest of the lot, but I'll offer up two more:<br /><br /><i>The Vengeful Virgin</i> by Gil Brewer<br /><br /><i>Grifter's Game</i> (aka <i>Mona</i>) by Lawrence BLock<br /><br />Both are pretty damn nasty and have horrific endings.J F Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06473487417479127354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-14264187526546905002013-06-12T10:56:02.431-04:002013-06-12T10:56:02.431-04:00Definitely it would be Jim Thompson. The Killer In...Definitely it would be Jim Thompson. The Killer Inside me is probably my choice too.Charles Gramlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052592247572253641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-53874829918798377252013-06-12T10:18:55.326-04:002013-06-12T10:18:55.326-04:00I have read most of them. The darkest for me was T...I have read most of them. The darkest for me was THE DRAMATIST--and you will probably know why. I am watching them on Netflix streaming right now. pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-71555453120275992412013-06-12T09:56:43.128-04:002013-06-12T09:56:43.128-04:00I'm surprised no one has mentioned Ken Bruen&#...I'm surprised no one has mentioned Ken Bruen's Jack Taylor series.Jerry Househttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09482856733981933159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-16008141762477774372013-06-12T09:56:23.044-04:002013-06-12T09:56:23.044-04:00RED DRAGON scared me to death. The TV show HANNIBA...RED DRAGON scared me to death. The TV show HANNIBAL does too. But I can't look away. pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-41232911010359065952013-06-12T09:54:54.678-04:002013-06-12T09:54:54.678-04:00I'll go with something a little different, the...I'll go with something a little different, the one that really started its own form, but I think qualifies: RED DRAGON by Thomas Harris.le0pard13https://www.blogger.com/profile/09421175808461787862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-86375934402085610292013-06-12T09:22:42.487-04:002013-06-12T09:22:42.487-04:00I, The Jury by Mickey Spillane has a classic noir ...I, The Jury by Mickey Spillane has a classic noir last line.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04546161337366365635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-47669891402807827412013-06-12T09:16:15.845-04:002013-06-12T09:16:15.845-04:00I like Lieberman's CITY OF THE DEAD a lot. Pr...I like Lieberman's CITY OF THE DEAD a lot. Pretty bleak.<br /><br />Jeff M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-81395331244901274452013-06-12T09:06:48.782-04:002013-06-12T09:06:48.782-04:00Hardest boiled: James Ellroy, THE COLD SIX THOUSAN...Hardest boiled: James Ellroy, THE COLD SIX THOUSAND. Hated the book--the writing is ugly--bu you can;t boil a rock any harder.<br /><br />Noirest noir: DOUBLE INDEMNITY, for the ending, which is not at all like the movie. I sat there with the book in my hand for several minutes when I finished it.Dana Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01350344882342624735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-9772153426119202912013-06-12T09:04:14.575-04:002013-06-12T09:04:14.575-04:00I'm mainly over here to pick-up some recommend...I'm mainly over here to pick-up some recommendations.<br />I recall reading a couple form Herbert Lieberman many years ago that were fairly bleak, is bleak hard-boiled? probably not.<br />Anyway - City of the Dead by Lieberman col2910https://www.blogger.com/profile/06422138069939709043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-74253912616535564282013-06-12T08:52:51.923-04:002013-06-12T08:52:51.923-04:00I've heard the title but never the author'...I've heard the title but never the author's name before. pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-13430551819472827422013-06-12T08:42:50.841-04:002013-06-12T08:42:50.841-04:00One is A Lonely Number by Bruce Elliot (available ...One is A Lonely Number by Bruce Elliot (available from Stark House Press). I've never encountered a like him. Terrifying. Ed Gormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06126267358266480356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-65167922022240811122013-06-12T08:33:23.827-04:002013-06-12T08:33:23.827-04:00If we're doing Jim Thompson I'd have to go...If we're doing Jim Thompson I'd have to go with the incredible (especially the ending) A HELL OF A WOMAN.<br /><br />Jeff M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com