tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post2171688530466650762..comments2024-03-28T08:51:47.164-04:00Comments on Patricia Abbott (pattinase): The Most Versatile Writer?pattinase (abbott)http://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-18280182068697147822013-07-22T20:03:44.490-04:002013-07-22T20:03:44.490-04:00For a mix of fiction and nonfiction, Evan S. Conne...For a mix of fiction and nonfiction, Evan S. Connell.Al Tuchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-61615399550867105222013-07-21T05:30:36.952-04:002013-07-21T05:30:36.952-04:00(I think Byron means to refer to "The Body,&q...(I think Byron means to refer to "The Body," filmed as STAND BY ME, rather than the non-"mainstream"--and definitely not novella-length--THE STAND.)Todd Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01815516018079824802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-6971557230888508272013-07-21T05:26:32.784-04:002013-07-21T05:26:32.784-04:00Byron--Actually, no, King has not written every ty...Byron--Actually, no, King has not written every type of fiction that Lansdale has, a notable western writer as well as contemporary mimetic and crime-fiction and fantastic-fiction writer...much less nearly as well as Lansdale. Lansdale at his best is Vastly more original, profound and concise than King even at his best.<br /><br />Westlake as scriptwriter also deserves to be remembered for the likes of THE STEPFATHER (not the sequels nor the remake, but the original). <br /><br />Robert Bloch, Kate Wilhelm, Theodore Sturgeon, Avram Davidson, William Kotzwinkle, Kathe Koja, Leigh Brackett, Barry Malzberg, Kurt Vonnegut, Fritz Leiber, Carol Emshwiller, Fred Chappell, Michael Shaara, Walter Tevis, Italo Calvino, John D. MacDonald, R. A. Lafferty, Kit Reed and Richard McKenna (in his too-short career) are among the eclectically excellent fiction-writers who come to mind and have gone unmentioned, and while, as with Oates and Dickens and Lansdale, there are similarities that follow from book to story for each of these writers, they have nonetheless brought a remarkable range to their work and our literature. Having just finally watched THE BIG HEAT the film, I'm even more sure than ever I need to read the novel by Philly's own William P. McGivern, who was surprising in what he would write for the Ziff-Davis magazines though perhaps only fully realized in his crime fiction...the film is very clearly drawn on a novel far more sophisticated than the typical run of hardboiled crime fiction even of its time...McGivern should be given his due.<br /><br />Todd Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01815516018079824802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-48856842664112083282013-07-21T01:07:28.128-04:002013-07-21T01:07:28.128-04:00No, I don't accuse you of being an anti-Westli...No, I don't accuse you of being an anti-Westlikite. But I don't want to downplay his effort just because the cuts he made were obvious if those cuts were right and, in this case, faithful to the essence of Thompson.<br /><br />The nurse arc (and some lazy prose) to my mind knock <i>The Grifters</i> out of the ranks of first-rate Thompson, so whoever knocked it out of the movie gets a high-five from me.Peter Rozovskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09977933481463759162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-57337216070773928752013-07-21T00:47:48.256-04:002013-07-21T00:47:48.256-04:00Peter, I don't want it to sound like I'm d...Peter, I don't want it to sound like I'm disparaging Westlake's efforts, because he's one of my favorite writers, but the cuts he made for The Grifters were obvious ones (I almost mentioned his cutting that nurse's arc in my earlier post and how it's probably the one extraneous part of Thompson's novel). To go off topic a bit, one screenplay that remained absolutely faithful to its source material but that I consider an amazing achievement is Catch-22. Buck Henry had to do far more than simply cutting to put that screenplay together, yet still have the movie retain the feel of the book.Dave Zeltsermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04007736514118297783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-33950348495821898582013-07-20T23:31:09.631-04:002013-07-20T23:31:09.631-04:00Dave: But someone deserves credit for the decision...Dave: But someone deserves credit for the decision to reduce the cute nurse's part to almost nothing. I did notice, though, that much of the dialogue is taken straight from the novel, notably xxxx's speech to xxxx about what it felt like to kill xxxx.Peter Rozovskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09977933481463759162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-78663079119048656052013-07-20T23:01:54.086-04:002013-07-20T23:01:54.086-04:00Jim Thompson really deserves full credit for The G...Jim Thompson really deserves full credit for The Grifters since there's very little difference between the screenplay and the book--the dialogue for the most part is taken straight from the book.<br /><br />That said, Parker books, The Ax, Dortmunder, yeah, Westlake was one of the best.Dave Zeltsermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04007736514118297783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-65233214688198089932013-07-20T21:58:17.958-04:002013-07-20T21:58:17.958-04:00That's the one. You'll recognize many loca...That's the one. You'll recognize many locations.Peter Rozovskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09977933481463759162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-45464191234619237432013-07-20T21:49:56.912-04:002013-07-20T21:49:56.912-04:00Blood on the Mink! On sale today!Blood on the Mink! On sale today!pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-10752259083150723382013-07-20T21:35:34.769-04:002013-07-20T21:35:34.769-04:00Someone mentioned Robert Silverberg. I know he'...Someone mentioned Robert Silverberg. I know he's known mainly for his science fiction, but the one book of his that I've read was crime, published by Hard Case, no less (and set in Philadelphia, Patti, around the time you might have been there.)Peter Rozovskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09977933481463759162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-67272673743321351112013-07-20T21:26:15.828-04:002013-07-20T21:26:15.828-04:00I didn't know he was involved with THE GRIFTER...I didn't know he was involved with THE GRIFTERS. Boy, does that hold up well.<br />Shakespeare, of course.<br />I AM LEGEND is the only full length book I have read by Matheson. But it is one of my favorites. <br />King is an excellent plotter in all fields. Well, maybe not romance. pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-2664492063077951642013-07-20T20:26:42.182-04:002013-07-20T20:26:42.182-04:00Richard Matheson (may he RIP).Richard Matheson (may he RIP).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14417907703587342867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-41724059735124398682013-07-20T19:36:17.656-04:002013-07-20T19:36:17.656-04:00I posted that comment a day or two after watching ...I posted that comment a day or two after watching The Grifters, for which Westlake wrote an apparently fine screenplay. The man could write for movies, too, whether adapting others' work or original scripts (The Stepfather).Peter Rozovskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09977933481463759162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-80170013658762712002013-07-20T19:26:35.079-04:002013-07-20T19:26:35.079-04:00Stephen King. Hands down. He's written every g...Stephen King. Hands down. He's written every genre Lansdale has plus some great mainstream fiction in his novellas like Shawshank and The Stand. Bryon Quertermoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18142740189973184854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-77843470652667478902013-07-20T18:00:45.373-04:002013-07-20T18:00:45.373-04:00Anders beat me to the punch on my recommendation o...Anders beat me to the punch on my recommendation of Donald Westlake. Shakespeare was pretty versatile, too.<br /> =========================<br /> Detectives Beyond Borders<br />"Because Murder Is More Fun Away From Home"<br /> <a href="http://detectivesbeyondborders.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://detectivesbeyondborders.blogspot.com</a><br />Peter Rozovskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09977933481463759162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-73161158121984958552013-07-20T16:49:53.306-04:002013-07-20T16:49:53.306-04:00He's the bomb.He's the bomb.pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-78950936422230827052013-07-20T16:38:42.054-04:002013-07-20T16:38:42.054-04:00Donald E. Westlake is another contender. Just cons...Donald E. Westlake is another contender. Just consider that his most well-known series was the Dortmunder books (comedy, sometimes bordering on slapstick) and the Parker books (ultrahardboiled, not one iota of comedy in them). And he also covered basically everything inbetween these extremes.Anders Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06164550847416446757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-39730832845021679152013-07-20T15:32:34.429-04:002013-07-20T15:32:34.429-04:00Jerry beat me to it - I was just going to mention ...Jerry beat me to it - I was just going to mention Ed Gorman. I think his short stories are too little known even by people who have read his novels. He's definitely one of my favorite current short mystery story writers along with Bill Pronzini, Brendan Dubois, Doug Allyn, Clark Howard, Loren D. Estleman (who also could make the list) and a handful of others.<br /><br /><br />Jeff M.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-52380463869019660502013-07-20T14:45:41.646-04:002013-07-20T14:45:41.646-04:00great choice. How about Ira Levin?great choice. How about Ira Levin?pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-9212577315010636472013-07-20T14:45:24.909-04:002013-07-20T14:45:24.909-04:00great choice. How about Ira Levin?great choice. How about Ira Levin?pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-34136833747696157042013-07-20T14:29:51.067-04:002013-07-20T14:29:51.067-04:00Ed Gorman, Bill Crider, James Reasoner, Max Allan ...Ed Gorman, Bill Crider, James Reasoner, Max Allan Collins, Bill Pronzini and so many others...all have tackled multiple genres brilliantly.<br /><br />But the type of versatility I think you're looking for, I'd go with Evan Hunter. Crime, suspense, mystery, detection, western, historical, science fiction, fantasy, horror, humor, adult, generational, societal problems, children's, romance, non-fiction, plays, film, television, you name it. Even excluding all his other work, the versatility displayed in his 87th Precinct stories is amazing.Jerry Househttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09482856733981933159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-84070015615614297832013-07-20T13:46:45.999-04:002013-07-20T13:46:45.999-04:00Deb's right about Trollope. Elmore Leonard ca...Deb's right about Trollope. Elmore Leonard can write westerns and suspense novels effortlessly. Robert Silverberg can write fiction and non-fiction with skill. Marvin H. Albert (who I'm reading for FFB) wrote wonderful novelizations of screenplays, mysteries, and westerns. John Jakes is best known for his entertaining historical novels, but he wrote science fiction and fantasy novels just as good.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04546161337366365635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-78210337434054938522013-07-20T13:25:05.435-04:002013-07-20T13:25:05.435-04:00I have never read ERB but the other two, yes!I have never read ERB but the other two, yes!pattinase (abbott)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916037185235335846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-12069940613974870882013-07-20T12:41:16.605-04:002013-07-20T12:41:16.605-04:00Charles Dickens, Edgar Rice Burroughs, and Michael...Charles Dickens, Edgar Rice Burroughs, and Michael Crichton.Prashant C. Trikannadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16079354501998741758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33110302.post-44858907623074103312013-07-20T12:04:25.496-04:002013-07-20T12:04:25.496-04:00Yes, Salliis is a favorite.
Jeff M.Yes, Salliis is a favorite.<br /><br /><br />Jeff M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com